Adharanand Finn chats with Iliass Aouani, who recently broke the Italian marathon record, running 2:07 in only his third marathon. The former Syracuse University standout talks about his Moroccan heritage, running in super shoes, missing his training group and his plans to take on the Kenyans. Ultra runner Damian Hall also joins us to talk about his recent efforts in the 330km Tor des Géants.

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Adharanand Finn speaks to Nick Tiller, exercise scientist at Harbor-UCLA and author of The Skeptics Guide to Sports Science. They examine the value of scientific consensus, the power of the placebo, and take a deep dive into running trends such as nasal breathing, barefoot running, paleo diets and ice baths. Nick also answers the question: is ultra running bad for you? 

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